SAN FRANCISCO Ray Fosse watched the crushing blow to Giants star Buster Posey and wondered why after all these years there are still few rules to protect catchers at the plate.
If theres anybody who knows about collisions, its Fosse.
He was at the center of one of the most iconic hits in baseball history, when Pete Rose barreled over him to score the winning run in the 1970 All-Star game. Fosses right shoulder was rearranged permanently, and while he briefly rebounded from the injury, it started a downward slide to a career that ultimately was cut short.
After Rose hit me in 70, I had two guys that blind-sided me, guys who hit me standing up, said Fosse, who stopped short of asking baseball to rewrite the rule book. Theres never anybody ejected for that.
The clean but cringe-inducing crash between Posey and Floridas Scott Cousins last week has still reignited the decades-old debate over plays at the plate.
Posey, the 2010 NL Rookie of the Year and one of the games brightest young stars, fractured a bone in his lower left leg and tore three ligaments in his ankle. His season is over.
In the past few years, the NFL has cracked down on violent hits and increased fines with an eye on player safety. The league also announced this week a policy of club accountability for teams whose players repeatedly are fined for flagrant hits.
Some in baseball are asking for similar action in the wake of Poseys injury. Others argue home plate collisions are as much a part of baseball tradition as peanuts and Cracker Jacks and the seventh-inning stretch.
Giants manager Bruce Bochy, a former catcher who had multiple head injuries in his playing days, called on Major League Baseball to explore ideas to protect players.
I think we do need to consider changing the rules here a little bit because the catcher is so vulnerable and theres so many who have gotten hurt, Bochy said. And not just a little bit, had their careers ended or shortened.
Even with advances in technology and improved gear, collisions at the plate still cause lasting injuries.
Angels catcher Bobby Wilson had a severe concussion and injured his left leg in a collision with Yankees slugger Mark Teixeira last year. It was Wilsons first big league start behind the plate.
The next thing I remembered was sitting in a wheelchair, said Wilson, who missed 21 games while on the disabled list.
His manager, Mike Scioscia, caught more games than any player in Dodgers history and endured numerous collisions, including a couple of memorable ones with Jack Clark and Chili Davis. He believes theres an unwritten code of ethics among players, depending on how much of the plate the catcher gives and the situation in the game.
Its just like breaking up a double play and what the guidelines are, Scioscia said. Running into a catcher, the catchers going to stay there and try to block the plate, which you have the right to if youre fielding the ball. And the runner obviously has a right to dislodge it.
Those lines can often be murky.
Cousins, for instance, scored the winning run in a crucial game against the defending World Series champions Wednesday night.
What do you want them to do? Make guys wear tennis shoes? Its a Major League Baseball game, Red Sox manager Terry Francona said. What do you want them to do? Sometimes guys break up double plays, sometimes you gotta try to score. Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt, but you got to play the game.
Player safety is one area where Major League Baseball and the players association usually overwhelmingly agree.
The new concussion disabled list and padding on the walls are two of the most recent actions both helped implement. But theres no concrete answer on what can be done to prevent major injuries at the plate.
Many high schools and some college divisions have no-crash rules rules for calls on the bases, including home.
The most common are giving the umpire the discretion to decide if the runner could avoid a collision with a clear path or if the runner had any intent to reach the base similar to those for breaking up a double-play in the big leagues.
Those subjective calls could be more difficult in the majors.
Players are faster, stronger and dozens of slow-motion camera angles dissecting each play might only increase debate. In the NBA, the charge-block call is one of the toughest for referees and the most controversial among fans, but the play happens at least a half-dozen times a game with athletes such as LeBron James and Dwyane Wade who are even faster.
Most big leaguers chuckle at the idea of such a rule in baseball.
Red Sox catcher Jason Varitek is considered among the best at blocking the plate. He agrees collisions should remain in the baseball rules, even it that puts him in harms way.
Catching, youre usually not on the winning end of those. Period, Varitek said. Some things are part of the game. But even the people who are playing hard and are in those collisions dont want to see anybody get hurt. Some things are part of the game. Theres not a whole lot you can do.