Rod Grove landed in Vietnam on Aug. 29, 1970. It was his birthday. Thirteen months and 22 days later, he would leave a changed man.
Innocence, he said, its lost.
Today, Grove is the veterans services officer for the Southern Ute Indian Tribe. Standing in front of the veterans memorial he helped bring to the park in front of tribal administration, he talked about his experiences and those of recently returned veterans. He was joined by Tribal Councilor Howard Richards Sr., also a Vietnam veteran, and Damon White Thunder, a tribal employee and veteran of Iraq.
Grove said the experiences of soldiers, though separated by a generation, are much the same.
War is war. No matter how you put it, its people killing people, he said.
Grove and Richards talked about the service being a brotherhood, creating an obligation for them to help the younger vets avoid the problems they had after returning.
It took us 30 to 40 years to get where we are today, said Richards, who was one of three vets who formed the Southern Ute Veterans Association in 1986.
Grove, who was encouraged by Richards to be a part of the group, said, You cant just turn it off and forget it.
White Thunder acknowledged it has sometimes been a challenge adjusting to everyday, realizing that I dont have to duck and dodge.
He said he joined as a Reservist to get money for college. Hed hoped to avoid active duty, but after just a year in, he was in Iraq.
Elder vets and the veterans association help young vets in various ways. One is advocating for benefits. Recently, the tribe hosted some Department of Veterans Affairs top guns in for a visit to talk about the challenges facing tribal veterans young and old.
Richards said the tribe supports veterans in areas where their benefits fall short, but he said they dont intend to let the government off the hook.
Richards said the tribe incorporates its traditions into confronting the problems vets face. This includes, above all, letting them know their community embraces them and is grateful for their service.
Richards also feels an obligation to educate the broader public about their sacrifice, so that when were all gone, he said, people will know what we stand for.
Grove, looking at the soldiers names etched into the memorial, said people are often surprised by the number of tribal members who have served.
Were a real small tribe to have so many people go, he said.
When it comes to defending country, he said, the commitment of Native Americans runs deep.
Our native people did not burn our draft cards, he said. We didnt run away.